Julia Serano - Transgender Dyke
Author,
activist, slam poet, facilitator, blogger, singer and scientist … and
there’s enough in print and online for even a faraway South African to
make researching you a full-time job - where on earth do you get the
time and energy?
Well, I’m kind of naturally hyperactive I
suppose. Plus I often have insomnia, which really helps create extra
time (although it’s not so helpful with regards to energy).
I should
also say that while I do or have done all of the things you mentioned,
I don’t do them all at the same time. Being a scientist is my day job.
These days most of my time outside of that goes toward writing, which
is both a creative outlet for me, but also a form of activism (as I
primarily write about trans issues and perspectives). I still sometimes
perform slam poetry and music, but not as much as I used to.
If
you had to pick just one of those hats to wear, which would it be? (You
really have to choose, there’s a metaphorical gun to your head or a
right wing fundamentalist or something)
These days I’ve been really into writing, so I’d have to say that.
I hope this isn’t an offensive question, but were you this energetic and productive before you transitioned?
For
the most part. Like I said, I’m kind of naturally hyperactive. Before
my transition, I was mostly focused on music, and put most of my energy
into that. I did experience a lot of sadness back then with regard to
my gender situation, and went through periods when I felt too depressed
to be creative or productive. But other times I found that having a
creative outlet was a useful distraction for me when I wasn’t so happy.
Do you ever get fed up with having the word “transsexual” attached to your art?
Not
really, but I think that’s mostly because I have been focused almost
exclusively on writing about gender and trans issues. It would be silly
for me to complain about the label “transsexual” when it does apply to
the content of most of my work.
I suppose that if I began to write
mostly about other topics, it could become frustrating. While I’m proud
to be transsexual, I also know that sometimes identity labels like that
can be used to put minority artists’ work into its own separate box. I
know a lot of queer writers and musicians who feel like that label
holds them back from reaching the same audiences that non-queer artists
have access to.
In
a perfect world, which would be the better option: a situation where
everyone was so relaxed and public about transgender issues that nobody
would discriminate, or a situation where transsexual people would all
be thoroughly and convincingly in stealth mode so that they’d all
simply be treated as the gender they were meant to be?
Personally,
I’d much prefer to live in the first world. I currently have the
privilege of “passing” as a cissexual (i.e., non-transsexual) woman.
While it still feels amazing to finally be seen and accepted as female,
I think I would go crazy if I couldn’t talk about my trans-specific
experiences—for example, my experiences moving through the world as
male pre-transition, or my experiences transitioning.
One thing that
I find really frustrating about being transsexual is that (at least
right now) it is difficult to be both out *and* to be seen as myself.
For example, when a cissexual lesbian woman comes out, people get to
see her as she sees herself—as a lesbian woman. However, when I come
out as a transsexual woman, people get to see me as trans (which I am),
but they also tend to stop seeing me as legitimately female and instead
see me as a “man” (which I am not). I am looking forward to the day
when I can both be open about being trans and be respected as a woman
simultaneously.
One more thing I feel I should add: The idea of a
world in which all trans people could live completely stealth might
appeal to many transsexuals, but there are also lots of transgender
spectrum folks who don’t see themselves as completely female or male.
Lots of people are genderqueer or bi-gender, so I think that a world
where people were respectful of all transgender spectrum identities
would be best.
Should celebrities come out of their various closets, or are they entitled to their privacy?
Now
that’s a really tough question. I remember in the 1980’s and early
1990’s when many queer activists were frustrated that celebrities like
Jodie Foster or Michael Stipe refused to come out publicly as lesbian
or gay. (Both have since done so, but only recently). If they had come
out way back then, it might have really had a big, positive impact. But
it also may have prematurely ended their careers. Who knows. I really
do think that it’s a double-edged sword, because if you come out as gay
or queer or as trans in an unwelcoming world, then you do often become
ghettoized as a “queer” or “trans” artist. While I am personally fine
with that for myself, I can understand why others might wish to avoid
it.
Anyway, in general, I think being out is a positive thing, but I
can understand why some people may choose not to do so for privacy or
safety reasons, and I respect that choice. However, what I have no
tolerance for are closeted queer people who are outspokenly anti-queer
in their public persona. Last year in the U.S., there was a rash of
prominent right-wing, anti-queer politicians and preachers who were
caught having same-sex affairs. That kind of hypocrisy really annoys
and angers me.
Thinking
about recent hate crimes in the first world as well as the third, do
you think there’s any hope of humanity learning tolerance?
I
think people are definitely able to learn to respect people who are
different from them in whatever way. Unfortunately, it tends to take a
really long time for entrenched “isms” (such as racism, classism,
ableism, and the many different variations of sexism) to be challenged
and eventually overturned. I am an optimist, so I’d like to think that
it’s possible to end these (and other) forms of oppression. But I am
also a pragmatist, and realize that it is a long process that will
surely not be fully reached in my lifetime.
Where
do all the words come from? When you write, do you think or do the
words just happen? Do you edit your stuff much afterwards?
Back
when I was mostly doing music or poetry, I found that sometimes things
would just come to me all at once. I would sit down one or two times
and the piece would just write itself. These days, however, I’ve been
writing a lot of essays, which really require a lot of forethought and
planning. So often I’ll have an outline of how I want to present it,
and I will do lots of editing along the way.
What are the differences (besides the tune factor) between writing a song and writing a poem?
Hmmm,
that’s a really good question. I personally feel that the best song
lyrics are usually impressionistic. The music is already creating a
mood, so I like to pick words or phrases that are likely to evoke
thoughts or pictures in people’s minds, rather than tell them exactly
what I’m thinking. I want them to fill in the blanks themselves. With
poems, however, there are only the words, so I am a little more
explicit with what I am trying to say. I am trying to share my thoughts
and feelings with someone else, rather than simply provoking other
people’s thoughts and feelings.
But of course, that’s just me. I
know lots of people who write very impressionistic poems, or who write
very explicit and straightforward song lyrics.
Your blog title, “blog-born-blog” - shouldn’t this be updated to “cis-blog”? Heheh.
Once
all of the cis women who still use the “womyn-born-womyn” label own up
to their cis privilege and realize how that label is inherently
marginalizing to trans women, then hopefully my blog will then also
become aware of its own cis-blog privilege…
I
read one of your blog posts which reminded me of something I’ve heard
from a few people lately i.e. that the gay and lesbian community often
shuns transgender/intersex/bisexual people - could you elaborate on
that? As a dyke myself, what would you advise me to do to help redress
the balance?
I’ve written a lot about this issue (from a
transsexual perspective) in my book and on my website. Here’s how I see
it. We all understand how heterosexism works: same-sex attraction and
relationships are seen as being less legitimate that “opposite”-sex
relationships. But that is not the only type of sexism that LGBTIQ
people face. Bisexuals (but not gays and lesbians) regularly face
monosexism, which is the belief that being exclusively attracted to
members of one sex is somehow more valid or legitimate than being
attracted to people of multiple sexes. Similarly, trans people
regularly face cissexism or cisgenderism, which is the belief cis
gender identities and expressions are more natural or legitimate than
trans ones. Furthermore, transsexual and intersex bodies are generally
seen (albeit in different ways) as less natural and valid than
cissexual and non-intersex bodies.
It has been my experience that
some (although certainly not all) gays and lesbians are very resistant
to the idea that they enjoy some privileges that other sexual
minorities do not. Those who are resistant tend to see no benefit in
joining with other sexual minorities to challenge all of these forms of
sexism together, rather than solely focusing on heterosexism. And often
they will narrowly view these different groups myopically through
gay-centric politics—for example, by assuming that bisexuals are really
gay people who still have “one foot in the closet,” or that
transsexuals are really gay people who change their sex in order to fit
into straight society. Such views are not only narrow-minded, but
narcissistic.
My advice for cis dykes and gay men who wish to be
allies is to listen to others, own your own privileges, recognize that
there are multiple forms of sexism, and realize that it is impossible
to ever eliminate heterosexism unless we fight to end all forms of
sexism simultaneously.
I
have a question for you from a transgender friend of mine; actually the
dyke who steered me to your website in the first place, ‘what
influenced your decision to come out on a wide scale and how has this
affected your life since the writing of your novel?’
Well,
I didn’t initially mean to come out on such a wide scale. At first I
was just a local performer. But as I got more into activism, and as my
writings and performances began reaching a wider audience, it just sort
of happened that way. I’ve been lucky because I live in the San
Francisco Bay Area (which is largely trans friendly) and am in academia
(where diversity is appreciated more than the world at large), so there
haven’t been too many negative ramifications of me being so out.
Mostly,
I am just happy that other trans folks and allies are able to find and
be influenced by my writings—I feel very privileged for that. As
someone who grew up in the 70’s and 80’s feeling isolated because of
the lack of information about trans people, I am happy to know that I
am now one of many trans voices that are easily accessible on the web
or in bookstores.
Have you ever been to Africa?
No.
Unfortunately, I’ve never been outside of North America. I would
definitely love to travel more, but sadly I am currently financially
unable to. Hopefully I’ll make it to Africa some time in the future!
Interview: Ulla Kelly
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